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of this, are they not? >> i think everyone will stumble off the fiscal cliff if you will. we're going to have a patch. and yes, the republicans right now are not looking as good as they would hope to especially after the election. >> that's putting it lightly. >> it's a nice saturday afternoon. there's no reason -- but fact is that they do have one more card to hold. and that's the debt ceiling debate. and that's something where they could really be strong on spending cuts. if they have to give in and come up with this patch, everyone is going want this debt ceiling done before the president's state-of-the-union or hopefully before his inaugural speech. so the president's looking long term. he's looking legacy. and here's where republicans have a chance to cut a better deal than normally expected. >> democrats feel like they're in a pretty good position right now whatever deal comes out of it may be one they can stomach? >> i hate to pop the optimism bubble. but i think progressives should be a little bit concerned for a couch reasons. one is if you look at logistically how this has t
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